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Interview: Author Andy Worthington Talks about His Book The Guantánamo Files

I would say that up to half of those captured were innocent men – Afghans betrayed by other Afghans; missionaries, humanitarian aid workers and economic migrants from a range of other countries, many seized and sold by the Americans’ Afghan and Pakistani allies, taking advantage of the bounty payments, averaging $5,000 a head, that were paid for “al-Qaeda and Taliban suspects.” The rest, for the most part, were Taliban foot soldiers, mostly recruited to fight in an inter-Muslim civil war between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance that began long before 9/11. In addition, as comments made anonymously by senior officials over the last four years have made clear, no more than 40 to 50 of those held in Guantánamo’s six-year history had any meaningful connection whatsoever with al-Qaeda, a figure that is even less than the Seton Hall Law School’s estimate.

Al-istiqamah: You make the valid point that the US failed to understand the Islamic ‘culture’ – e.g. why idealistic foreigners would come to Afghanistan to live and work under what they considered to be an Islamic State without a sinister motive. Is this the underlying reason for the US military’s failure to win hearts and minds?

Andy Worthington: Well, this cultural ignorance doesn’t help, but in Afghanistan I think the US lost the battle for “hearts and minds” through its chronic failures of intelligence (trusting extremely untrustworthy lawlords and other dubious characters), through the scale of its imprisonment of Afghans as “enemy combatants,” not just in Guantánamo, but also in Bagram airbase and in various other forward operating bases, and through its refusal to adequately investigate murders in US custody. What also happened was that the administration lost interest in Afghanistan sometime in 2002, when it began gunning for Iraq, and so failed to stay the course to provide the reconstruction that might have made a genuine difference. And all these failures were, of course, repeated and magnified in Iraq itself.

Al-istiqamah: You mention the case of US citizen Daniel Joseph Maldonado in the final chapter ’Endgame.’ What did you make of his account of rendition to Kenya, which appeared in our September 2007 issue?

Andy Worthington: I thought it was excellent. As you know, it was how I first discovered your website, and I think that this sort of detailed reporting – on issues that are not covered in the mainstream media at all – is absolutely invaluable.

Al-istiqamah: Had Daniel not been a US citizen, would he have been rendered to Guantánamo instead of being flown home to the States?

Andy Worthington: Not necessarily. What’s bizarre, as I mentioned in the final chapter, and as I have reported since, is that six prisoners have arrived in Guantánamo in the last year, even while every other indication from the government is that it is genuinely attempting to scale down the operation. There seems to be little logic to this process (although there’s little logic to much of what the administration does), as only two of the six are regarded as “high-value detainees.” Had Daniel not been an American, it seems more likely that he would have continued to be held in one of the Americans’ proxy prisons in the Horn of Africa, which, of course, are reported on far less than Guantánamo.

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